MH-17:

Unanswered Questions

The information included here is not meant to encourage a rush to judgment.

It is however, with the victims and their grieving families in mind, all desperate for answers, that I have included omitted deleted or redacted data in the belief that many of you will not have had access to some (if not all) of it.

I knew nobody on this flight but have many times traversed the flight path en route to elsewhere.

If it had been myself who was a victim, I would be grateful that there were individuals out there still thinking about me, even though none knew me, and were attempting to find answers for my grieving loved ones and relatives – if I had any.   if I had none, likewise grateful that such were just seeking answers as to why I and my fellow passengers so tragically (and in an instant) ceased to exist.

Is it a foregone conclusion that we know the answers? Certainly not.

Is it a foregone conclusion that foul play was involved? Certainly yes.

Was this premeditated mass murder or just a terrible accident? To date there is no conclusive proof either way.

Do we know for certain who is to blame? Investigations are still in progress and until the experts have given their majority (and possibly dissenting) opinions (and perhaps those views will also be challenged) nobody can (nor should) offer any conclusive judgements

I am including video material showing what appears to be a commercial/civilian airliner (in the background) falling from the sky.

I have neither verified the 3-D topography, contours nor other details required to give proper identification but have included the material for anyone who might shed further light on it.

I am working on the assumption that this is neither faked nor edited but just normal raw footage. My basis for this is what I would expect to find as an extract in a modern fighter aircraft recording in real time.

The weather conditions at the exact time (of the presumed tragedy included here) appear to be slightly overcast maybe with light drizzle and certainly not a clear sky.  The topological layout (in a 3-D setting) is not a difficult problem to resolve.  There would appear to be two fighter/military aircraft in the immediate vicinity.  This is in keeping with the report which I had at that time of the tragedy about there being 2 fighter aircraft in the vicinity and which you will find in an earlier blog last year.  I was never able to confirm from a second independent source the presence of 2 fighter aircraft (and I said this in my blog at the time of the incident last year.)  I believe I was either the only or one of two individuals in the world to be confirming two fighter aircraft in the vicinity of the incident.  Even Russian military reports on State News Channels were only talking about one military fighter being seen in the immediate vicinity at the time of the tragedy.  Other Russian Federation news channels were likewise referring to the possible presence of one fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of the incident.
This video footage below appears to now vindicate my single source of information at the time of the incident last year.

A Personal Note

BBC Deletion of Evidential Material From It's Website

The BBC  explains why it removed a Report by Ms. Olga Ivshina from it's website.  You will find their public reasons when you attempt to access the deleted material.

In such circumstances as exist, the deletion of  information which could assist with a case where mass murder is suspected, the reputation of the BBC, as a credible new source, may very well suffer long-term irreparable damage in many parts of the world.  It's not the issue of 'fair and balanced' coverage but because we are talking about a potential War Crime, all evidential information which is credible should be available for examination - not just 'on demand' - but as a public record.

I saw nothing in Ms. Olga Ivshina's Report which suggested conscious or unconscious bias.  Quite the opposite, from what I viewed, Ms Ivshina went out of her way to attempt to cover, as best she could, the reported incident, from all sides.

 

Patrick Emek                                             

                                                                            

If you do not believe the BBC's explanation of why it removed material from it's website and want alternative viewpoints, you will find them at: 

  http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/11/western-news-suppression-downing-mh-17-malaysian-jet.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18e_1418590601

The deleted/censored BBC/Ivshina MH17 Report with English subtitles: https://vimeo.com/111325917

   

  There Were 2 Military Aircraft Present In this Extract Below

   The video extract below is not BBC copyright footage.

If anyone cares to claim it as their copyright material, please let me know.

1.Source: Anonymous Sender 

©Patrick Emek, 2015

Grammatical corrections on 8th March, 2015

if you cannot view it at this site type the following You Tube entry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4r1bvWtObo


2.Sent with the message:

''Please let the relatives of the victims know that these stories are not true.''
I am including the video – without any further comment.

2. Source:Anonymous Sender

Additional References

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/blogs/2014/07/140724_blog_editors_bbc_story_rework.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2014/07/140722_v_mh17_buk_hunt.shtml 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18e_1418590601

 Also from external sources:

vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.es 
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/the-catastrophe-of-mh17-bbc-in-search.html
The Catastrophe of #MH17: BBC in the Search of the “#BUK” –
The Video Report Censored by BBC
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Note: Videos & a PDF of the Google Web-cache Have Been Preserved and Are Available Upon Request Preamble: Why did the BBC delete this report by Olga Ivshina? Is it because the BBC team was unable to find any evidence that a rocket was launched in the area that the Ukrainian Security Service (“SBU”) alleges to be the place from which the Novorossiya Militia launched a “BUK” missile?  Or is it because every eyewitness interviewed by the BBC team specifically indicated the presence of Ukrainian military aircraft right beside the Malaysian Airlines Boeing MH17 at the time that it was shot down?  Or is it because of eyewitness accounts (like the one posted following the transcript of the BBC report) confirming that the Ukrainian air force regularly used civilian aircraft flying over Novorossiya as human shields to protect its military aircraft conducting strikes against civilian population from the Militia’s anti-aircraft units?
I reserve the final judgment to the readers of this blog. This entry is broken down into:
1. introductory paragraphs to the BBC video report;
2. English-language transcript of the BBC video report; and,
3. a video interview with Elena, a Militia fighter, recorded in Slavyansk on or about June 18, 2014, or one
month prior to the MH17 catastrophe, wherein she states that, even then, the Ukrainian military aircraft would customarily hide behind civilian aircraft to bomb civilian targets on the ground.
In the last part of this entry Elena predicts that the Ukrainian military will stage the horrible catastrophe like the MH17 crash - she makes this prediction one whole month prior to the disaster.
Video: The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the “#BUK”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4
Original BBC Video Report: Preserved by Google Web-cache
Introductory Paragraphs to the BBC Video Report
The “black boxes” of the crashed Malaysian Boeing have finally been transferred into the hands of the experts.
However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from Russia.
The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile.
BBC reporter Olga Ivshina and producer Oksana Vozhdayeva decided to find the place from which the missile was allegedly launched.
Transcript of the BBC Video Report DPR Representative: Here it is.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are finally being transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from the direction of Russia.
Vitaliy Naida, Department of Counterintelligence of SBU [Ukrainian Security Service]: This was a BUK M1 system from which the aircraft was shot down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17th of July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk. After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the area of the city of Torez, to the area of Snezhnoye, to the area of Pervomaisk.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile. We attempted to verify these photographs and information at the location.
One of the photographs showed a landscape not far from the city of Torez, on which smoke could be seen coming from the presumed location of the missile’s launch. We attempted to find this location, and it appears that we were successful.
We are now on the outskirts of the city of Torez. Behind me, approximately five kilometres away, is the city of Snezhnoye. And the landscape here matches the landscape that we can see on the photograph published by the Ukrainian Security Service.
To find the place from which the smoke was allegedly coming from, we adopted as markers these three poplars and the group of trees. Presumably, this is the place that can be seen on the photograph published by the SBU.
And here are our markers: the three solitary poplars and the small group of trees in the distance.
The smoke that can be seen on the photograph came from somewhere over there [pointing behind her], behind my back. The SBU believes that this is a trace coming from the launch of a “BUK” missile.
However, it must be noted that there are here, approximately in the same place, the Saur-Mogila memorial, near which the fighting continues almost unabated, and a coalmine. It turns out that the smoke with the same degree of probability could have been coming from any of these locations.
Having circled around the nearby fields, we were unable to find any traces of a missile launch. Nor did the local inhabitants that we encountered see any “BUK” either.
At the ruins of an apartment building in the city of Snezhnoye, the topic of the jet fighters that may have been escorting civilian aircraft comes up again. A bomb dropped from above took away the lives of eleven civilians here.
Sergey Godovanets, Commander of the Militia of the city of Snezhnoye: They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above
us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The commander of the local militia emphasizes that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter [flying] at a significant height. However, he says that if such weaponry were to appear,
they would have tried to.
Sergey Godovanets: If we know that it is not a civilian aircraft, but a military one, then – yes.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: So, could the Boeing have been shot down by the militias that had mistaken it for a military aircraft? There is as yet no unequivocal confirmation of either this or any other version [of what took place]. The international experts are just beginning their work with the information obtained from the crashed airliner. It now appears that it is difficult to overstate the importance of this investigation. Olga Ivshina, BBC.
Militia Elena: Ukrainian Military Planes Hide Behind Civilian Airliners
Video: Recorded at least one month prior to MH17 Crash, published with ENG subs on June 18, 2014
Note: Pay close attention starting at 01:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE 
(this reference has now been deleted by You Tube) 


an alternative explanation can be found at:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Talk:Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 


External Material (extract) available from other sources (August 2nd 2014)
Photograph of Mh -17 Cockpit.
Website reference:
https://ronaldwederfoort.wordpress.com/2014/08/02/cis-the-plane-mh-17-was-brought-down-by-machine-gun-fire-from-the-right-and-above/

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How the deleted BBC video runs in timeframe snapshots (extracted):

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 black boxes of crashed Boeing

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 and the sound of an explosion could be preserved

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 but they do not tell you what exactly was

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 part of this explosion

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 nearby villages assures that

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 seen in the sky shortly before warplanes

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 namely fighters in their opinion could

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 elena plane military pressure as they

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 recently did that and that passenger

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 at the time of arrest of the book so

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 changed the trajectory of all that flew

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 Ukrainian authorities rejected this version

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 they consider that the fight he was hit by a missile

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 which was hit by a plane

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 I relocated from Donetsk comprising

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 in this area Torez it accurately

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 for snow in an interview marca

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 was hit by a missile loaf

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 we will try to

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 we tried to find this place and it seems

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 Tarasov city behind my back about

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 terrain here coincide

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 to find a place from which

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 we took these three benchmarks for their poplar

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 sbu released and here at our benchmarks

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 ALOR tomb complex near which

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 likely outcome of any of these locations

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 accompanying contact ports

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 life is one of six people

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 they are covered by these

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 civilian aircraft fly and sometimes

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 it stopped flying civilian prime minister

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 I do not hide the fact that it is a little more time

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 they showed that the interest for

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 commander of the local militia

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 emphasize that they have no weapons

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 able to really knock

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 but says that if such weapons each

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 any mistake not civil turnover

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 weapons

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 so could anyone could be brought down by militias

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 who mistook his

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 unambiguous confirmation of this and

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 international experts only

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 significance of this investigation now

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 reduced 900

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черные ящики
разбившегося боинга

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наконец передает вот
и экспертов

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ну как много они могут
рассказать

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самописцы
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координаты и кур
самолета на момент

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инцидента

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и могли сохраниться
звук взрыва

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но они не расскажут
чем в точности был

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вызван этот взрыв

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жители близлежащих
сёл уверяет что

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видели в небе боевые
самолеты незадолго до

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катастрофы

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именно истребителей
по их мнению могли

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сбить boeing

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два взрыва была в
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как он разрывался

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так вот когда
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елена самолет военное
давление они же

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ничего потому что
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недавние сделали что
пассажирского и что

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но результат

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на момент задержания
книги поэтому от

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самолета татре
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поменял траекторию
полета все что летело

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в ту сторону

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власти украины
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они считают что бой он
был сбит ракетой

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комплекса бук
прибывшего со стороны

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россии эта система

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бук м1

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в которую был сбит
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прибыла в украину к
наукам и свиноводства

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она была доставлена
нападающие город

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минск

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после этого было

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я передислоцирована
из донецка в составе

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колонны военной
техники

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в этот район города
торез в нем точно

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за снежного в
интервью marca

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служба безопасности
украины обнародовала

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снимки и видео по ее
мнению доказывающий

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что boeing

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был сбит ракетой
булку

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мы постараемся

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проверить эти снимки
и данные на местности

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на одной из
фотографий был

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изображен продаж
недалеко

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от города стараюсь на
котором был виден дым

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с места предполагала
пуска ракеты

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мы постарались найти
это место и кажется

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это нам удалось мы
находимся на окраине

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города тарасов за
моей спиной примерно

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в пяти километрах
город снежного и

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рельеф местности
здесь совпадают

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рельеф местности
который мы видим на

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фотографии
обнародованные

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службы безопасности
украины

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чтобы найти место с
которого

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предположительно
исходила дым

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мы взяли за ориентиры
эти три тополя их

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группу деревья

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предположительно а
вот она вместо

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которой видно на
горизонте фотографии

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обнародованные сбу а
вот у наши ориентиры

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три одиночных то
поляки и громко

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дереве в белеке

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дым который видно на
фотографии сходила

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откуда то оттуда из за
моей спины избушек ii

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что это сред отдав
оскара ракета book но

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нужно отметить что
здесь примерно в этом

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же месте находится
мемориальный

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комплекс алор могила
около которого

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постоянно идут бои ее
угольная шахта

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получается дым мог
спокойно степени

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вероятности исходить
из любого из этих мест

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покружив по
близлежащим полям

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следов запуска ракеты
нам найти

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не удалось

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не видели букве
встреченные нами

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местные жители

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на развалинах того в
городе стрежевой темы

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истребителей
возможно

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сопровождавшие
контакте порты

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с половиной года

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запрошенная сверху
бомба унесла здесь

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жизни один из шести
человек

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они прикрываются
этими

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гражданские самолеты
летают и подчас

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перестали летать это
гражданских премьера

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балета

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я не прятать мало того
что это еще раз

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показал что они
проценты за

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гражданского летали
бомбили опять прятали

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за гражданские права

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командир местных
ополченцев

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подчеркивать что у
них нет оружия

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способного сбить
действительно

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большой высоте

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но говорит что если бы
такое оружие друг

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появилось они бы
попытались

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ведь любая ошибка не
гражданский оборот

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оружия

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так мог любой мог быть
сбит ополченцами

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которые по ошибке
приняли его

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за боевой самолет

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однозначного
подтверждения и этой

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или других версий
пока нет

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международные
эксперты только

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начинает работу с
данными разбившегося

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лайнера

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значимость этого
расследования сейчас

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кажется

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трудно переоценить

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уменьшена 900

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 cajas negras del Boeing se estrelló

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 finalmente pasa aquí y expertos

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 Bueno, ¿cuánto le pueden decir

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 grabadoras registrados

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 Coordenadas planas y pollos en el momento

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 incidente

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 y el sonido de una explosión podría ser preservado

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 pero no te dicen qué es exactamente lo era

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 parte de esta explosión

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 pueblos cercanos asegura que

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 visto en el cielo poco antes de aviones de guerra

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 Catástrofe

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 a saber, los combatientes en su dictamen podría

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 golpear boeing

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 dos explosiones en el aire esto es ahora

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 mientras se debatía

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 Y así, cuando es positiva en ambos lados

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 presión militar plano elena como

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 porque nada se veía

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 recientemente hizo eso y que los pasajeros

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 pero el resultado

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 en el momento de la detención de la obra por lo que

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 Tatra afectada aviones

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 cambiado la trayectoria de todo lo que voló

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 en la dirección equivocada

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 Las autoridades ucranianas rechazaron esta versión

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 que consideran que la lucha fue alcanzado por un misil

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 haya llegado complejo por

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 Rusia este sistema

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 haya m1

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 que fue golpeado por un avión

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 llegó a Ucrania en la ciencia y el cerdo

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 fue llevada a atacar la ciudad

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 Minsk

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 era entonces

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 Me mudé de que comprende Donetsk

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 columna de material militar

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 en esta área Torez con precisión

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 para la nieve en una marca entrevista

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 Servicio de Seguridad de Ucrania publicó

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 fotos y videos en su opinión demuestra

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 que boeing

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 fue alcanzado por una hogaza de misiles

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 vamos a tratar de

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 echa un vistazo a estas imágenes y datos en áreas

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 una de las fotografías era

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 muestra ventas cercanas

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 de la ciudad para probar que era humo visible

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 con el sitio de la supuesta lanzamiento de un misil

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 tratamos de encontrar este lugar y parece

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 hemos conseguido, estamos en el borde

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 Ciudad Tarasov a mis espaldas sobre

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 cinco kilómetros de la nieve y de la ciudad

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 terrain aquí coinciden

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 terreno que vemos en

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 Foto lanzado

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 Servicio de Seguridad de Ucrania

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 para encontrar un lugar desde el cual

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 presumiblemente llegó humo

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 tomamos estos tres puntos de referencia para su álamo

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 grupo

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 pero es de suponer que en lugar

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 que se puede ver en el horizonte Photo

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 sbu liberado y aquí en nuestros puntos de referencia

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 tres sencillos que los polacos y en voz alta

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 árbol en Belek

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 humo que se puede ver en la foto fue

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 de alguna parte de detrás de mis chozas Back II

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 que este medio da Oscar libro del cohete, pero

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 Aquí hay que señalar que esta aproximadamente

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 este lugar es un monumento

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 ALOR complejo de la tumba cerca de la cual

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 hay constantes peleas de su mina de carbón

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 humo podría fácilmente obtenido grado

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 probablemente resultado de cualquiera de estos lugares

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 un círculo los campos cercanos

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 Los rastreos de lanzamiento de cohetes a encontrar

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 fracasado

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 que no se ve la letra nos recibió

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 locales

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 sobre las ruinas de las discusiones Strezhevoi

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 combatientes pueden

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 puertos de contacto adjuntos

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 año y medio

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 solicitado una bomba se cobró la parte superior aquí

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 la vida es una de las seis personas

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 están cubiertos por estos

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 aviones civiles volar y, a veces

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 que dejó de volar primer ministro civil

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 Ballet

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 No oculto el hecho de que es un poco más de tiempo

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 demostraron que el interés por

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 bombas volantes civiles ocultos de nuevo

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 Derechos civiles

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 comandante de la milicia local

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 subrayar que no tienen armas

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 capaz de golpear realmente

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 altura

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 pero dice que si este tipo de armas cada

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 parecían que hubieran tratado de

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 cualquier error no rota civiles

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 armas

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 por lo que podría cualquier persona podría ser derribado por las milicias

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 que confundió a su

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 para los aviones de combate

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 confirmación inequívoca de este y

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 o otras versiones todavía

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 expertos internacionales sólo

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 comienza con los datos de estrellado

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 transatlántico

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 importancia de esta investigación ahora

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 parece

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 difícil sobreestimar

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 reducida 900

first posted in 2015
reposted in September 2018 to correct technical (viewing) errors

MH-17:

Unanswered Questions

The information included here is not meant to encourage a rush to judgement.

It is however, with the victims and their grieving families in mind, all desperate for answers, that I have included omitted deleted or redacted data in the belief that many of you will not have had access to some (if not all) of it.

I knew nobody on this flight but have many times traversed the flight path en route to elsewhere.

If it had been myself who was a victim, I would be grateful that there were individuals out there still thinking about me, even though none knew me, and were attempting to find answers for my grieving loved ones and relatives – if I had any.   if I had none, likewise grateful that such were just seeking answers as to why I and my fellow passengers so tragically (and in an instant) ceased to exist.

Is it a foregone conclusion that we know the answers? Certainly not.

Is it a foregone conclusion that foul play was involved? Certainly yes.

Was this premeditated mass murder or just a terrible accident? To date there is no conclusive proof either way.

Do we know for certain who is to blame? Investigations are still in progress and until the experts have given their majority (and possibly dissenting) opinions (and perhaps those views will also be challenged) nobody can (nor should) offer any conclusive judgements

I am including video material showing what appears to be a commercial/civilian airliner (in the background) falling from the sky.

I have neither verified the 3-D topography, contours nor other details required to give proper identification but have included the material for anyone who might shed further light on it.

I am working on the assumption that this is neither faked nor edited but just normal raw footage. My basis for this is what I would expect to find as an extract in a modern fighter aircraft recording in real time.

The weather conditions at the exact time (of the presumed tragedy included here) appear to be slightly overcast maybe with light drizzle and certainly not a clear sky.  The topological layout (in a 3-D setting) is not a difficult problem to resolve.  There would appear to be two fighter/military aircraft in the immediate vicinity.  This is in keeping with the report which I had at that time of the tragedy about there being 2 fighter aircraft in the vicinity and which you will find in an earlier blog last year.  I was never able to confirm from a second independent source the presence of 2 fighter aircraft (and I said this in my blog at the time of the incident last year.)  I believe I was either the only or one of two individuals in the world to be confirming two fighter aircraft in the vicinity of the incident.  Even Russian military reports on State News Channels were only talking about one military fighter being seen in the immediate vicinity at the time of the tragedy.  Other Russian Federation news channels were likewise referring to the possible presence of one fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of the incident.
This video footage below appears to now vindicate my single source of information at the time of the incident last year.

A Personal Note

BBC Deletion of Evidential Material From It's Website

The BBC  explains why it removed a Report by Ms. Olga Ivshina from it's website.  You will find their public reasons when you attempt to access the deleted material.

In such circumstances as exist, the deletion of  information which could assist with a case where mass murder is suspected, the reputation of the BBC, as a credible new source, may very well suffer long-term irreparable damage in many parts of the world.  It's not the issue of 'fair and balanced' coverage but because we are talking about a potential War Crime, all evidential information which is credible should be available for examination - not just 'on demand' - but as a public record.

I saw nothing in Ms. Olga Ivshina's Report which suggested conscious or unconscious bias.  Quite the opposite, from what I viewed, Ms Ivshina went out of her way to attempt to cover, as best she could, the reported incident, from all sides.

 

Patrick Emek                                             

                                                                            

If you do not believe the BBC's explanation of why it removed material from it's website and want alternative viewpoints, you will find them at: 

  http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/11/western-news-suppression-downing-mh-17-malaysian-jet.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18e_1418590601

The deleted/censored BBC/Ivshina MH17 Report with English subtitles: https://vimeo.com/111325917

   

  There Were 2 Military Aircraft Present In this Extract Below

   The video extract below is not BBC copyright footage.

If anyone cares to claim it as their copyright material, please let me know.

1.Source: Anonymous Sender 

https://www.blogger.com/video-thumbnail.g?contentId=dbb41ec5622ddad1&zx=xluykgork6f7

©Patrick Emek, 2015

Grammatical corrections on 8th March, 2015

if you cannot view it at this site type the following You Tube entry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4r1bvWtObo


2.Sent with the message:

''Please let the relatives of the victims know that these stories are not true.''
I am including the video – without any further comment.

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Additional References

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/blogs/2014/07/140724_blog_editors_bbc_story_rework.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2014/07/140722_v_mh17_buk_hunt.shtml 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18e_1418590601

 Also from external sources:

vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.es 
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/the-catastrophe-of-mh17-bbc-in-search.html
The Catastrophe of #MH17: BBC in the Search of the “#BUK” –
The Video Report Censored by BBC
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Note: Videos & a PDF of the Google Web-cache Have Been Preserved and Are Available Upon Request Preamble: Why did the BBC delete this report by Olga Ivshina? Is it because the BBC team was unable to find any evidence that a rocket was launched in the area that the Ukrainian Security Service (“SBU”) alleges to be the place from which the Novorossiya Militia launched a “BUK” missile?  Or is it because every eyewitness interviewed by the BBC team specifically indicated the presence of Ukrainian military aircraft right beside the Malaysian Airlines Boeing MH17 at the time that it was shot down?  Or is it because of eyewitness accounts (like the one posted following the transcript of the BBC report) confirming that the Ukrainian air force regularly used civilian aircraft flying over Novorossiya as human shields to protect its military aircraft conducting strikes against civilian population from the Militia’s anti-aircraft units?
I reserve the final judgment to the readers of this blog. This entry is broken down into:
1. introductory paragraphs to the BBC video report;
2. English-language transcript of the BBC video report; and,
3. a video interview with Elena, a Militia fighter, recorded in Slavyansk on or about June 18, 2014, or one
month prior to the MH17 catastrophe, wherein she states that, even then, the Ukrainian military aircraft would customarily hide behind civilian aircraft to bomb civilian targets on the ground.
In the last part of this entry Elena predicts that the Ukrainian military will stage the horrible catastrophe like the MH17 crash - she makes this prediction one whole month prior to the disaster.
Video: The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the “#BUK”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4
Original BBC Video Report: Preserved by Google Web-cache
Introductory Paragraphs to the BBC Video Report
The “black boxes” of the crashed Malaysian Boeing have finally been transferred into the hands of the experts.
However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from Russia.
The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile.
BBC reporter Olga Ivshina and producer Oksana Vozhdayeva decided to find the place from which the missile was allegedly launched.
Transcript of the BBC Video Report DPR Representative: Here it is.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are finally being transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from the direction of Russia.
Vitaliy Naida, Department of Counterintelligence of SBU [Ukrainian Security Service]: This was a BUK M1 system from which the aircraft was shot down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17th of July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk. After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the area of the city of Torez, to the area of Snezhnoye, to the area of Pervomaisk.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile. We attempted to verify these photographs and information at the location.
One of the photographs showed a landscape not far from the city of Torez, on which smoke could be seen coming from the presumed location of the missile’s launch. We attempted to find this location, and it appears that we were successful.
We are now on the outskirts of the city of Torez. Behind me, approximately five kilometres away, is the city of Snezhnoye. And the landscape here matches the landscape that we can see on the photograph published by the Ukrainian Security Service.
To find the place from which the smoke was allegedly coming from, we adopted as markers these three poplars and the group of trees. Presumably, this is the place that can be seen on the photograph published by the SBU.
And here are our markers: the three solitary poplars and the small group of trees in the distance.
The smoke that can be seen on the photograph came from somewhere over there [pointing behind her], behind my back. The SBU believes that this is a trace coming from the launch of a “BUK” missile.
However, it must be noted that there are here, approximately in the same place, the Saur-Mogila memorial, near which the fighting continues almost unabated, and a coalmine. It turns out that the smoke with the same degree of probability could have been coming from any of these locations.
Having circled around the nearby fields, we were unable to find any traces of a missile launch. Nor did the local inhabitants that we encountered see any “BUK” either.
At the ruins of an apartment building in the city of Snezhnoye, the topic of the jet fighters that may have been escorting civilian aircraft comes up again. A bomb dropped from above took away the lives of eleven civilians here.
Sergey Godovanets, Commander of the Militia of the city of Snezhnoye: They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above
us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The commander of the local militia emphasizes that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter [flying] at a significant height. However, he says that if such weaponry were to appear,
they would have tried to.
Sergey Godovanets: If we know that it is not a civilian aircraft, but a military one, then – yes.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: So, could the Boeing have been shot down by the militias that had mistaken it for a military aircraft? There is as yet no unequivocal confirmation of either this or any other version [of what took place]. The international experts are just beginning their work with the information obtained from the crashed airliner. It now appears that it is difficult to overstate the importance of this investigation. Olga Ivshina, BBC.
Militia Elena: Ukrainian Military Planes Hide Behind Civilian Airliners
Video: Recorded at least one month prior to MH17 Crash, published with ENG subs on June 18, 2014
Note: Pay close attention starting at 01:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE 
(this reference has now been deleted by You Tube) 


an alternative explanation can be found at:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Talk:Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 


External Material (extract) available from other sources (August 2nd 2014)
Photograph of Mh -17 Cockpit.
Website reference:
https://ronaldwederfoort.wordpress.com/2014/08/02/cis-the-plane-mh-17-was-brought-down-by-machine-gun-fire-from-the-right-and-above/

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черные ящики
разбившегося боинга

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наконец передает вот
и экспертов

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рассказать

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самописцы
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инцидента

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и могли сохраниться
звук взрыва

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вызван этот взрыв

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жители близлежащих
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видели в небе боевые
самолеты незадолго до

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катастрофы

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именно истребителей
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сбить boeing

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два взрыва была в
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как он разрывался

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давление они же

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на момент задержания
книги поэтому от

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самолета татре
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в ту сторону

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власти украины
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бук м1

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в которую был сбит
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наукам и свиноводства

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я передислоцирована
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колонны военной
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служба безопасности
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снимки и видео по ее
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был сбит ракетой
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мы постараемся

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обнародованные сбу а
вот у наши ориентиры

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три одиночных то
поляки и громко

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дереве в белеке

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дым который видно на
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откуда то оттуда из за
моей спины избушек ii

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оскара ракета book но

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же месте находится
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комплекс алор могила
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постоянно идут бои ее
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получается дым мог
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вероятности исходить
из любого из этих мест

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покружив по
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следов запуска ракеты
нам найти

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городе стрежевой темы

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истребителей
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контакте порты

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с половиной года

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запрошенная сверху
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жизни один из шести
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они прикрываются
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гражданские самолеты
летают и подчас

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я не прятать мало того
что это еще раз

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показал что они
проценты за

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гражданского летали
бомбили опять прятали

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командир местных
ополченцев

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подчеркивать что у
них нет оружия

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способного сбить
действительно

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большой высоте

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но говорит что если бы
такое оружие друг

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появилось они бы
попытались

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ведь любая ошибка не
гражданский оборот

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оружия

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так мог любой мог быть
сбит ополченцами

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которые по ошибке
приняли его

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за боевой самолет

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однозначного
подтверждения и этой

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или других версий
пока нет

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международные
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начинает работу с
данными разбившегося

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значимость этого
расследования сейчас

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 cajas negras del Boeing se estrelló

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 finalmente pasa aquí y expertos

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 Bueno, ¿cuánto le pueden decir

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 grabadoras registrados

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 Coordenadas planas y pollos en el momento

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 y el sonido de una explosión podría ser preservado

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 pero no te dicen qué es exactamente lo era

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 parte de esta explosión

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 pueblos cercanos asegura que

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 visto en el cielo poco antes de aviones de guerra

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 Catástrofe

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 a saber, los combatientes en su dictamen podría

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 golpear boeing

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 dos explosiones en el aire esto es ahora

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 mientras se debatía

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 presión militar plano elena como

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 porque nada se veía

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 recientemente hizo eso y que los pasajeros

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 pero el resultado

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 en el momento de la detención de la obra por lo que

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 Tatra afectada aviones

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 cambiado la trayectoria de todo lo que voló

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 en la dirección equivocada

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 Las autoridades ucranianas rechazaron esta versión

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 que consideran que la lucha fue alcanzado por un misil

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 haya llegado complejo por

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 Rusia este sistema

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 haya m1

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 que fue golpeado por un avión

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 llegó a Ucrania en la ciencia y el cerdo

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 fue llevada a atacar la ciudad

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 columna de material militar

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 en esta área Torez con precisión

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 para la nieve en una marca entrevista

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 Servicio de Seguridad de Ucrania publicó

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 fotos y videos en su opinión demuestra

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 que boeing

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 fue alcanzado por una hogaza de misiles

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 echa un vistazo a estas imágenes y datos en áreas

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 una de las fotografías era

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 muestra ventas cercanas

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 de la ciudad para probar que era humo visible

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 con el sitio de la supuesta lanzamiento de un misil

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 tratamos de encontrar este lugar y parece

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 cinco kilómetros de la nieve y de la ciudad

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 terrain aquí coinciden

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 Servicio de Seguridad de Ucrania

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 para encontrar un lugar desde el cual

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 presumiblemente llegó humo

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 tomamos estos tres puntos de referencia para su álamo

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 pero es de suponer que en lugar

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 que se puede ver en el horizonte Photo

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 sbu liberado y aquí en nuestros puntos de referencia

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 tres sencillos que los polacos y en voz alta

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 humo que se puede ver en la foto fue

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 de alguna parte de detrás de mis chozas Back II

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 que este medio da Oscar libro del cohete, pero

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 Aquí hay que señalar que esta aproximadamente

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 este lugar es un monumento

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 ALOR complejo de la tumba cerca de la cual

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 hay constantes peleas de su mina de carbón

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 humo podría fácilmente obtenido grado

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 probablemente resultado de cualquiera de estos lugares

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 un círculo los campos cercanos

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 que no se ve la letra nos recibió

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 sobre las ruinas de las discusiones Strezhevoi

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 combatientes pueden

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 puertos de contacto adjuntos

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 año y medio

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 solicitado una bomba se cobró la parte superior aquí

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 la vida es una de las seis personas

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 están cubiertos por estos

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 aviones civiles volar y, a veces

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 que dejó de volar primer ministro civil

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 demostraron que el interés por

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 bombas volantes civiles ocultos de nuevo

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 Derechos civiles

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 comandante de la milicia local

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 subrayar que no tienen armas

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 capaz de golpear realmente

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 pero dice que si este tipo de armas cada

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 parecían que hubieran tratado de

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 cualquier error no rota civiles

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 por lo que podría cualquier persona podría ser derribado por las milicias

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 que confundió a su

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 para los aviones de combate

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 confirmación inequívoca de este y

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 expertos internacionales sólo

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 transatlántico

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 importancia de esta investigación ahora

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 parece

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 difícil sobreestimar

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 reducida 900